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Jeffraham Prestonian

wasted potential: "lets post on Friday and see where the story is at."

Ah, hell -- let's wait until Monday, 4:30 p.m., ET. I'm sure by then, the intel community's coup de grace will eclipse even *this* egregious example of the Bush administration's utter incompetence.
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Jeffraham Prestonian

wasted: "President Bush has had to deal with the worst attack on our homeland since Pearl Harbor, perpetrated not by a country, but by an ideology."

And yet he fights the enemy as if it WERE a country. I guess it's true -- if all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

Too bad Bush didn't learn the lessons of Vietnam that informed the Powell Doctrine. Perhaps he could have, if he'd served in Vietnam.
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wasted potential

Well, you have peaked my interest in what appears to be your inside knowledge of the Kerry re-election effort. You don't have to tell me the story, but have you guys figured out which outlet it will be this time? You've already used the NY Times and 60 minutes, so I assume it will be someone different. Care to share?

Jeffraham Prestonian

(addendum to last post)

... or even listened to Powell, perhaps.
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Jeffraham Prestonian

wasted: Asking me? Everyone knows Fox News gets rights-of-first-refusal on these things. 45 minutes later, it's whoever drew the short straw.
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wasted potential

If all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail? Once again, I like your use of metaphor, but disagree with your conclusion.

Once again, I believe that by replacing tyrannical governments in the middle east with democracy will lead to an environment that defeats this enemy's ideology. Also, we have drawn the enemy to our armed forces in Iraq now, rather than having them fight on our soil.

I don't agree with the Vietnam analogy. We were fighting a communist regime, but we treated it as a police action not a war. Johnson and Nixon never envisioned overthrowing the Vietcong, to do so may have led us to a larger conflict with the Soviet Union. We are now overthrowing the governments. Also, the vast majority of the Iraqi and Afghan people support us in our efforts, the insurgents are well in the minority. I look at the Iraqi people being killed while trying to sign up for their police or guard and then see more coming the next day and ask myself, would I have the same intestinal fortitude?

Jeffraham Prestonian

Did I mention that I'm fighting dirt in my kitchen so that I'll never have to fight dirt in my den? My strategery is misunderestimated!
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wasted potential

Yeah, I am sure Fox has this CIA story locked away for Monday to deal the cruelest blow to the President. Seriously, who at 1630 Monday is going to try and "drop the bomb?"

wasted potential

Did I mention that I'm fighting dirt in my kitchen so that I'll never have to fight dirt in my den? My strategery is misunderestimated!

OK, time for bed. The liberal making fun of me just made me laugh!

Jeffraham Prestonian

wasted: "I believe that by replacing tyrannical governments in the middle east with democracy..."

... at gunpoint...

"... will lead to an environment that defeats this enemy's ideology."

That's the way it ought to work, but I think you misunderestimate the cultural and religious factors at play in this happy equation.

"I don't agree with the Vietnam analogy. We were fighting a communist regime, but we treated it as a police action not a war."

Another way to say this would be that we fought with too little manpower, too little intel and discovered those errors far too late to effect the outcome. In other words, everything the Powell Doctrine was designed to prevent from ever happening again. How unlike the Powell Doctrine is the Bush Doctrine? Ask Shinseki, White, et al. Even Powell, once he leaves -- he's been keeping bitchin' notes, I am sure.
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wasted potential

OK, one more before bed. I disagree that we don't have the manpower in Iraq needed to do the job. Frankly, my only disagreement with our handling of Iraq is that we chose to let the interim Iraqi leadership dictate how we dealt with Al Sadr and Fallujah. We should have just taken Al Sadr and his goons out and flattened Fallujah. However, the idea of letting the Iraqis have some say could prove in the long run to be the better strategy - by getting them involved in the process they will begin to take out their own trash sooner, meaning we can assume less and less responsibility. I am not pie in the sky as to the cultural issues we are up against, but I do not see another viable plan from Kerry, the UN or any one else.

To quote you:

That's the way it ought to work, but I think you misunderestimate the cultural and religious factors at play in this happy equation.

That is the way it ought to work and it is the only acceptable definition of success.

By the way, did you say misunderestimate because you were tired, or because you were playing with your vocabulary again?

Jeffraham Prestonian

wasted: "OK, time for bed. The liberal making fun of me just made me laugh!"

Like I always say, "Don't go away mad -- just go away." :)

But seriously... I'm not making fun of you, wasted. I was pointing out the absurdity of thinking that we won't be attacked here at home because we've got all the enemy's attention and resources concentrated in Iraq (or any other non-U.S. location to be named later). Anyone believing that to be true needs to be treated for Koolaid intoxication, posthaste.

As for the "liberal" label, well, I wear it willingly, if you insist. I'm socially quite liberal, yet fiscally very conservative. I've always voted Libertarian until this year, even though I think Libertarians are a little simple-minded on corporate regulation, and I think their ideal tax package would be horrendously regressive.

Bush is a social conservative and a fiscal liberal -- an almost-perfectly ideological polar opposite of me -- so, I had to vote for Kerry. Badnarik can't possibly beat Bush; Kerry shall.
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Jeffraham Prestonian

wasted: "By the way, did you say misunderestimate because you were tired, or because you were playing with your vocabulary again?"

I like to toss out the occasional Bushism, to keep up with the sweetness and light. ;)
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Jeffraham Prestonian

wasted -- Did you skim past my "democracy at gunpoint" spiel? Isn't that a little bit like expecting anal rape to convert heterosexual males to homosexuality? Hmmm...
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wasted potential

Just closing down, so your last post. I am a social conservative, but also a died in the wool fiscal conservative. I have not been pleased with the Republican's new found love for the pork and spending projects. I am afraid that I actually embrace the Libertarian fiscal philosophy, but my inward core forces me to reject their social policies. Bottom line for me, the issue of abortion (which I believe to be infanticide) compels me to vote for the pro-life candidate. To do otherwise would be to deny my own soul, and that I cannot do.

I do happen to agree with the Bush doctrine on foreign policy, but it is not a "core" value that I hold. I agree with him on social security reform, tax reform, faith based initiatives, and I could care less about deficits. They project these things for 10 years and then they change them every year. All it would take to balance the budget in 2 years is for a good economy and minor, but real spending cuts (you know, like Robert Byrd may not get to build that next Hyway or foundation or college building named after him).

However, sadly, there seems to be no way to significantly cut federal spending. We tried in 1995 and found the American electorate really didn't want to do that. We "misunderestimated" them.

Good night and I'll look for your story next Monday on CNN or the Washington Post or wherever they decide to launch it from.

Jeffraham Prestonian

wasted: "Bottom line for me, the issue of abortion (which I believe to be infanticide) compels me to vote for the pro-life candidate. To do otherwise would be to deny my own soul, and that I cannot do."

I respect that view, and perhaps oddly, that's a resonant note that Kerry sounded with me. I don't like abortion (and I doubt you'd find many who actually DO), but I know what the alternative to legal abortion would be -- what it continues to be, where physicians are forbidden to perform the procedure. As a pragmatist, I can't ignore what *legislatively* removing this option will produce (clue: abortions won't stop; they'll just kill a whole lot of teenaged girls). A better solution, IMO, is a more pragmatic approach to sex-ed than the currently-supported abstinence-only programs. Humans have an innate drive to have sex, and to experiment with sex at a very young age. There's not a religion on earth that will remove THAT. The sooner we admit that, the sooner abortion will go away due to supply and demand.

"I could care less about deficits."

If you have kids, promise me you'll write that down for them to absorb and contemplate in the future.

"I'll look for your story next Monday on CNN or the Washington Post or wherever they decide to launch it from."

Ain't MY story, homey! It's the intel community's, and just to clear up that lockbox misunderstanding, THEY will spring it on Fox @ 1630, Monday. If they haven't run with it by 1715, it's the short straw.
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Rob

Hey, how's that rock-solid "NBC defense" working out, by the way? Nice catch there, guys. You almost looked incompetent, sort of a "torn by the headlines" thing.

Sailom

Wasted Potential: You're into serious abuse of rethoric when you talk about the "European secularists" and the "Islamist Fascists". Go and check your dictionary whenever you use these words. You definitely seek to discredit critics of the Bush administration with a "us vs. them" way of thinking. If you think you are going to spread democracy like that, I tell you, you are on the wrong track! About the world's rejection of the Bush's policy, go and check this:
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/search/page.arcview.php?clid=2&id=105768&usrsess=
Do take note that the countries who are the most opposed to Bush's foreign policy are the "old democracies". How ironic...
By the way, yes I agree with the statement that I oppose "moral absolutes" coming from Bush. When you see the results in Abu Grahim, you may have some doubts about it.
About your very strong religious believes, you're definitely free to believe whatever you want. The problem is when you're so sure that "God is by your side", you don't pay attention any more to the critics who are not from your church communauty. Keep in mind that the US is supposed to be on the side of democracy and freedom.

shahnaz

Read Kristoff's article in today's NY Times.

The point? Bush will lie about anything, even what kind of stuffed animals his daughters had when kids.

He has lied about his past, his present, and our future.

THAT has nothing to do with his greatness, but his petty nature.

wtfwjd?

"40 tractor trailers and heavy liftin machinery"

Fafnir? Giblets?

Zat you?

Linda

Great job on Hardball last night Tucker. Chris Matthews was actually a human being.

Burtis Walker

Was John Kerry the one who let Willie Horton go?

Jeffraham Prestonian

Speaking of drinking...

Wouldn't you rather have a shot with Kerry than a DRAFT with Bush?
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BURTIS WALKER

John Forbes Kerry is no JFK!!! You can quote me on that.

Jeffraham Prestonian

BURTIS WALKER: "John Forbes Kerry is no JFK!!! You can quote me on that."

I'm sure AM Radio wingnuts will quote you on that... for the next eight years.

Of course, I think I'd prefer to have Kerry in the Oval if we have another Cuban missile crisis. I'd hade to think we'd have a guy who'd sit dumbfounded for weeks after being warned of the attack.
(and minutes after the attack began!).
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