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Jeffraham Prestonian

It is certainly starting to look that way. :/

melior

President Bush has acknowledged his only mistake -- he appointed a whole bunch of people who turned out to be liberal turncoats, like his Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill and his Secretary of the Environment and his Terrorism Czar and most of the Generals who were giving him advice and many others. That doesn't make it his fault he was just the Leader and he fired them just as soon as it became clear they were part of the reality-based community.

Linda

Sorry JP is was RP who mentioned Bush.

Linda

JP

Kerry was trying to score points against the religious right -- for people like Christianvote up there. As for Edwards....do you really think we are so naive as to think Kerry or Edwards would say anything intentionally complimentary to Cheney? There has been nothing but vitriol the whole campaign, but suddenly for one bright shining moment in time they were BOTH moved to be nice? Please.

RocketPunch

Linda - sorry, I missed the no bush part of the test. Would you like me to start over again? ;)

NJDem

"That doesn't make it his fault he was just the Leader and he fired them just as soon as it became clear they were part of the reality-based community."

As opposed to living in His fantasy world...

Jeffraham Prestonian

Linda: "As for Edwards....do you really think we are so naive as to think Kerry or Edwards would say anything intentionally complimentary to Cheney? There has been nothing but vitriol the whole campaign, but suddenly for one bright shining moment in time they were BOTH moved to be nice? Please."

I saw the debate when it aired, and I've looked at the transcript. I've seen nothing insincere in what Edwards or Cheney said about this matter. That makes me think the outrage about the mention of Mary Cheney in the 3rd debate rang out to most folks as completely contrived -- especially when Alan Keyes can make a VERY unkind statement about Mary's lifestyle, and the noise machine sits mute.
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RH

This seems to be the pet peeve of the Democrats, Michael Moore and OBL... Why did President Bush continue reading My pet Goat for seven minutes when he was confidentially notified(Andy Card whispered in his ears) of the first plane hitting the WTC.He was not explained of any details of what was going on or who may have been responsible.

What was Bush supposed to do ? Run out of the classroom screaming ? Scaring the kids in the room as well as giving the wrong message to the TV reporters in the room before they knew all the facts?
He did the right thing by acting calm and composed, letting the child finish reading and calmly handle the problem.He acted Presidential.

Laura Bush heard the same "initial" news when she was in Ted Kennedy's office discussing No child left behind program. They didn't get ballistic in seven minutes and start tearing their hairs out. It wouldn't have changed anything at that point.

I bet you think if John Rambo Kerry was in Bush's place, he would have fished out his purple hearts (if he didn't already throw them out), grabbed his gun ( the one with the new goosehunting license)jumped into his SUV (the one that his wife owns), called his swift boat friends (not the ones in the swift boat ads agaisnt Kerry ) and headed towards NYC in seven minutes. Yeah right!

Jeffraham Prestonian

RH: "Why did President Bush continue reading My pet Goat for seven minutes when he was confidentially notified(Andy Card whispered in his ears) of the first plane hitting the WTC."

Uh, it was the SECOND plane that Card was relaying to Bush.

"What was Bush supposed to do ? Run out of the classroom screaming ?"

Do you know what a false dichotomy is, RH?
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Phoenician in a time of Romans

RH: "We can do a 20/20 hindsight analysis of what happened in Tora Bora. The fact remains that those mountains were dangerous, General Franks did the right thing by not risking American troops when they were not even 100% sure that OBL was there."

That's right - he was hiding in Iraq, which is why we invaded. We killed 100,000 sand niggers and 1100 Americans, but we nearly got him.

Now I hear he's hiding in Iran...

NJDem

"What was Bush supposed to do ? Run out of the classroom screaming ?"
-He could have calmly excused himself and got on the Freakin' Phone to find out what's going on.

"He did the right thing by acting calm and composed,"
-He looked lost and confused... probably 'cause he didn't have Cheney there telling him what he should do

"He acted Presidential".
-NOT

lewis

Kerry said that he was stunned and wasn't able to react for an hour.Waiting seven minutes didn't have any affect on the outcome according to 9/11 Report. I f that 's all you have to bitch about you are an idiot.

Phoenician in a time of Romans

Christianvoter: "For the record , I am not a "Troll" (wnatever that is) - I would never vote for this Kerry - he is evil."

Indeed. The way he spins his head completely around, vomits pea soup and chants praise to Satan in Latin is a dead giveaway.

RocketPunch

lewis - Kerry wasn't President and the responsibility of defensive action wasn't in his hands. There is a difference between a man watching it happen on TV and a man in charge of the protection of our nation.

To Democrats, that 7 minutes is a reminder of the 8 months before 9/11 when Bush did ... nothing.

wasted potential

Jeffraham: I think I saw someone who asked where Kerry was scaring folks about the prospect of a draft under a 2nd Bush term. Here is one form 10/16 in the Boston Herald.

"Kerry again raised the draft issue - which Bush has repeatedly denied - saying, ``With George Bush, the plan for Iraq is more of the same and the great potential of a draft.''

Now, this is disengenuous when the democrats pushed legislation out earlier this fall for a draft to raise the issue, then all voted against it, or am I over-stating the issue?

RH

Lewis,
I can understand why Kerry couldn't react for an hour after hearing the 9/11 news. His muscle reactions are considerably slow after injecting loads and loads of Botox over the years. Poor fella! I bet he was in better shape 37 years ago.

Jeffraham Prestonian

Rocket: "To Democrats, that 7 minutes is a reminder of the 8 months before 9/11 when Bush did ... nothing."

That's not true -- he worked very hard on a secret energy plan, tax cuts for wealthy folks and in getting support for an unproven missile defense system. Condi Rice was going to talk about how important the NMD system was to our security on 9/11/2001, but for some reason, her speech got cancelled.

Oh, and he gave a surveillance plane to China.
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wasted potential

Jeffraham: "Forcing people to sign and/or recite a loyalty oath in order to see a public appearance by our highest elected employee IS a 1st Amendment issue, though."

I think you have been duped by some of your leftist pals - there is no oath, never was an oath to go see Bush at a Rally. I went to one where I won the Andover pom-poms, so I can personally attest to my own experience and my wife has attended several Bush events, both during the election season and before and she never heard of an oath.

Not that it matters that much, but wanted to "debunk" this myth.

NJDem

"To Democrats, that 7 minutes is a reminder of the 8 months before 9/11 when Bush did ... nothing. "

-Yeah, but it's Hard work.

wasted potential

Rocket Punch/Jeffraham: This whole 7 minute thing is just propaganda. Does anyone really believe that our defenses or our response would have changed any during those 7 minutes had he jumped out of his chair the moment he was told.

By the way, I think your views on Bush and mine probably color how we read his face after he was told. I saw a face of resolve and anger, you saw something else.

Besides, since Cheney really runs the government, according to the left, why does it matter what Bush did? :)

RocketPunch

wasted - are you sure that was a Democratic bill? It was the Republicans I heard on TV talking about how it was voted down as a kind of "See? There we voted down the draft." But voting that bill down only meant there would be no draft TODAY. It's language contained nothing halting future drafts. If I might cut and paste a thought from earlier

The problem for Bush is that this IS still an issue for young voters. It was an issue with people online way before Kerry mentioned it. Bush's history says one thing to young voters "WE CAN'T TRUST THIS PRESIDENT". Be it WMD, Saddam and 9/11, flowers and sweets, nation building, troop numbers ... you name it. The President has been misleading and, in the end, just wrong. And as for the draft itself, tell the people who, by contract, should be home with their families but they are being forced to stay in Iraq beyond their tour of duty. Tell that to the medical personal that are being prepped to go to Iraq. The fact is, if Bush does decide to invade another country our troop strength will be in jeopardy. This doesn't cease to be an issue because Bush says it isn't an issue - especially with news like this!

Irainian parliament members are shouting "Death to America!" as they vote to continue their uranium-enrichment program.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=212964

Jeffraham Prestonian

wasted: "'Kerry again raised the draft issue - which Bush has repeatedly denied - saying, ``With George Bush, the plan for Iraq is more of the same and the great potential of a draft.'"

What is untrue about that statement? Bush simply denying that a draft may need to be implemented does not make it so. It may turn out to be his "read my lips" moment, should he win a second term.

I honestly don't see how either candidate can say this is completely off the table.

"Now, this is disengenuous when the democrats pushed legislation out earlier this fall for a draft to raise the issue, then all voted against it, or am I over-stating the issue?"

Yeah, a bit. It was more an attempt to close deferment loopholes in current law to insure that the sons and daughters of the privileged class would not be exempted.
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wasted potential

Rocket:

Here is an article that outlines who pushed the bill in Congress:

Liberal Democratic lawmakers, led by Rep. Charles Rangel of New York and Rep. Pete Stark of Fremont, had introduced the bill in January 2003 as a protest against the Bush administration's increasing moves toward war in Iraq.

Rep. Jack Murtha, D-Pa., the ranking Democrat on the House military appropriations subcommittee, said he supports a draft as a matter of fairness and because the Bush administration has stretched the regular military and the National Guard and Reserves to the breaking point. "We are in a war," he said, "and not only a small segment of our population should fight our wars.

"Everyone, rich and poor, should serve in the military of the United States,'' added Murtha, a Marine veteran -- and, with Stark, the only lawmakers to vote in favor of the bill.

The legislation would have authorized the president to call on men and women ages 18 to 25 to serve up to two years in the military, homeland security services or community organizations. The only exemptions would be for extreme hardship of physical and mental disabilities or for conscientious objectors.

The Republicans called the bill to the floor to show who was pushing it and force the democrats to show their hypocrisy as the very people who proposed the bill voted against it.

If the youth believe Bush will propose a draft, it is becuase the left has done a better job in the propaganda war on this issue, but the reality is that it has no basis in fact. Kerry is the candidate proposing the expansion of our forces by 40,000, not Bush.

RocketPunch

wasted - it really isn't just that 7 minutes. Its about that entire morning. When Tenet heard about the first plane he said something like "I hope those weren't those guys taking flight lessons". The President should be on the same level of thinking when the chatter is high and he gets PDBs like "Bin Laden Determined to Attack U.S."

BTW - glad to see you. The other day was horrible. No matter what I said I was being labeled as a member of the Bin Laden fan. Very rude people.

Linda

JP - Of course Edwards was convincing - he is a trial lawyer. Give me a break. Alan Keyes is way overboard in alot of what he says. But at least he is not pretending.

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