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You tell 'em, Wonders! Sand niggers in Iraq are just the same as sand niggers in Afghanistan.

Posted by: Phoenician in a time of Romans | November 1, 2004 01:10 PM

Let's see, you are very proud of Democrat Jimmy Carter who is the cause of 600,000 dead?

Do you know these 100,000 is a factual number? If it is indeed factual, why isn't your man Kerry jumping right on it?

I assume you are very happy with Democrat Bill Clinton also, he and his policies are the reason 3000 AMERICANS were murdered.

Show your intelligence and go vote for policies that have not even been told to you, vote Kerry and be happy when you go to bed, you might just wake up dead/murdered, but then again, that would be the policies of yet, another proud Democrat President.

Jeffraham Prestonian

wonders: "Let's see, you are very proud of Democrat Jimmy Carter who is the cause of 600,000 dead?"

Look who's wearing the tinfoil hat now!
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Phoenician in a time of Romans

Wonders: "Do you know these 100,000 is a factual number? If it is indeed factual, why isn't your man Kerry jumping right on it?"

Of course they're not factual. Everyone knows Bush's war only killed a few people, all of them terrorists. Indeed, Bush personally RAISED some Iraqis from the dead with a touch of his hand, thus having a net GAIN in civilians. Praise be to Bush!

Hell, the Lancet isn't even an American medical journal.

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996596

Wonders: "I assume you are very happy with Democrat Bill Clinton also, he and his policies are the reason 3000 AMERICANS were murdered."

You tell 'em, Wonders! Of course, Bush was in power then and Richard Clarke says he dropped the ball after Clinton prevented an earlier attack, but what would Clarke know?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml

I'm so happy you're here, Wonders, fighting valiantly with me against these DemoCRAPS and their reality-based groupthink.

wonder

DemoCRAPS and their reality-based groupthink.

Posted by: Phoenician in a time of Romans | November 1, 2004 04:44 PM

Phoenician -

'reality' you have got to be kidding right? Everything they lie about, is proven to be a lie, if that is your reality, just go right ahead and enjoy the ride of lies. ;-)

Your link ... of course
#1. Is from the rathergate cbs.

#2. Is from Clarke, who writes a book right in the middle of the campaigns, do you think he saw the money Michael Moore made for all of his proven lies? Guess Clarke thought he might be able to cash in some too huh.

#3. "When Mr. Bush came into office, though remaining at the White House, Clarke was stripped of his Cabinet-level rank." Think he felt a little anger and the need to get even?

#4. The No. 2 man on the president's National Security Council, Stephen Hadley, vehemently disagrees. He says Mr. Bush has taken the fight to the terrorists, and is making the U.S. homeland safer. He says "The president heard those warnings. The president met daily with ... George Tenet and his staff. They kept him fully informed and at one point the president became somewhat impatient with us and said, 'I'm tired of swatting flies. Where's my new strategy to eliminate al Qaeda?'"


--- So who to believe? ---
Stephen Hadley, wasn't demoted, (no anger there), Stephen Hadley hasn't written a book to cash in on the millions of dollars being made by Bush haters, (no advantage there).

Richard Clarke was demoted by President Bush, (plenty of anger there), Richard Clarke sees ALL of the other Bush haters making millions of dollars on their propaganda, and would feel this is the perfect revenge, with a bonus, making millions on his book.


I am so happy you are here Phoenician, your quotes and links enforce what I already knew, that George W. Bush is the man for the job.

Jeffraham Prestonian

wonder: "#2. Is from Clarke, who writes a book right in the middle of the campaigns, do you think he saw the money Michael Moore made for all of his proven lies? Guess Clarke thought he might be able to cash in some too huh."

Yeah... Clarke invented a time machine, saw that Moore's _Fahrenheit 9/11_ would gross more than $200M, and then went BACK in time, to publish his book MONTHS before Moore could get his film released. Sneaky liberals!

"Proven lies?"

Certainly. The Congressional Black Caucus had LOTS of Senators' signatures on their resolution condemning disenfranchisement of black voters in Florida; everyone knows THAT.

Ashcroft cutting counterrorism funding in the FBI's budget? Nonsense!

Bush in a classroom for seven minutes, deer-in-headlights? Never happened. The videotape is a lie.

Taliban representatives meeting with Bush-connected energy firms in Texas while he was governor? What a lie.

George W. Bush doesn't know anyone named James Bath. Obviously.

Everyone knows Bush never tried to block Congress from investigating the events leading up to 9/11/2001, nor the independent 9/11 Commission, and he wasn't shamed into it by the Jersey Girls.

At no time was Ken Lay Bush's #1 campaign contributor, no matter what opensecrets.org says.

Certainly, Ashcroft never told Tom Pickard that he "didn't want to hear" anything further about terrorism. Impossible.

It's a lie that _Army Times_ published, that Bush proposed cutting combat bonus pay by 33%, and assistance to deployed servicemembers' families by 60%. Commie _Army Times_!

What a PACK of LIES! Forget all the actual news footage and newspaper articles that back up what Moore says. Who are you gonna believe -- Bush or your lyin' eyes?
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wonder

Jeffraham

You must be one of Moore's goons, I say this because everytime Moore has been mentioned on this forum, you are right up his butt!

Let's take apart your post one by one:

Jeffraham - (From FAHRENHEIT 9/11) "It's a lie that _Army Times_ published, that Bush proposed cutting combat bonus pay by 33%, and assistance to deployed servicemembers' families by 60%. Commie _Army Times_!"

FACT: March 26, 2003
To provide additional pay and benefits for active duty, guard, and reserve forces, such as augmenting Imminent Danger Pay and Family Separation allowance, and for modernization of equipment, weapons, and technology needs of the National Guard and Reserves in recognition of those currently involved in conflict Operations and the needs of their family members left behind.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00105
the vote was yeas - 100 nays - 0

Title: To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide a special rule for members of the uniformed services in determining the exclusion of gain from the sale of a principal residence and to restore the tax exempt status of death gratuity payments to members of the uniformed services, and for other purposes.
March 27, 2003 - The Vote - 97 yeas - 0 nays

Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 1817 to S. 1689
Statement of Purpose: To provide an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq and to reduce the amount provided for reconstruction in Iraq by $322,000,000.
Vote Counts: YEAs 49
NAYs 37
Not Voting 14 -- (Kerry 1 whom wouldn't vote)
October 2, 2003, 07:36 PM


Statement of Purpose: To prohibit the use of Iraq Relief and Reconstruction Funds for low priority activities that should not be the responsibility of U.S. taxpayers, and shift $600 million from the Iraq Relief and Reconstruction Fund to Defense Operations and Maintenance, Army, for significantly improving efforts to secure and destroy conventional weapons, such as bombs, bomb materials, small arms, rocket propelled grenades, and shoulder-launched missiles, in Iraq.
Vote Counts: YEAs 51
NAYs 47 ------- KERRY voting nay
Not Voting 2
Oct 27 2003

Note: Not one thing on gov site backs Moores lie that President Bush proposed cutting combat bonus pay.
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Ashcroft and Pickard, both testified under oath, both stating separate things, there isn't any proof that makes one more truthful than the other, so Moore inserting Pickards statement was nothing but propaganda, yet again.

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9/11 Commission

Bush has given his comments on this.
Either you believe his answer or you don't.

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The 7 minutes, I have posted on that already.

This is some of Moores "proven lies".


Your quotes and links enforce what I already knew, that George W. Bush is the man for the job. ;-)


Jeffraham Prestonian

wonder -- Nothing in your lengthy distraction about Senate votes shoots down the factual info that Bush proposed to cut military pay as described. I can find you a dozen articles, not least of which is the one from _Army Times_, for chrissakes.

The rest of your debunking is equivalent to "I already SAID that was a lie, even though I can't PROVE it." Note how you deride Moore's use of Pickard's testimony as "propaganda," but then make no attempt to debunk Ashcroft's budget cuts to counterrorism -- something which would point to being more consistent with Pickard's testimony about what he was told by Ashcroft than Ashcroft's testimony about what he said to Pickard.

Try again.
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Jeffraham Prestonian

wonder -- And btw... wasn't your original assertion that Clarke saw Moore's success, and decided to cash in on the anti-Bush truthwagon? Unless you're making the bizarre claim that Clarke was somehow inspired by _Bowling For Columbine_, I really don't know how you account for this, as Clarke's book predated Moore's film by MONTHS.

Try again.
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wonder

wonder -- Nothing in your lengthy distraction about Senate votes shoots down the factual info that Bush proposed to cut military pay as described.
Posted by: Jeffraham Prestonian | November 2, 2004 12:11 AM

Jeffraham
It does indeed prove that Bush didn't propose military cuts, I searched through the full year of 2003, the article you had, said it was in Oct 2003, there was no congressional votes the year of 2003 to cut military pay. You can have many articles, but it doesn't make it facts, show me where it was proposed and not hear say and I will agree it is a fact, but hear say in articles, does not make it a fact, no matter how hard you want it to.

I didn't get into Ashcroft's budget cuts to counterrorism, because I didn't have the time to research it.

Back to Clarke, I don't know the exact month his book was published, but I do know that more than half of Moore's movie was propaganda, lies and distortions, but the movie did exactly what Moore wanted it to do, make him millions of dollars at the expense of 3000 innocent American's murdered.

He should sleep well.

Jeffraham Prestonian

wonder: "It does indeed prove that Bush didn't propose military cuts, I searched through the full year of 2003, the article you had, said it was in Oct 2003, there was no congressional votes the year of 2003 to cut military pay."

Where did I say there was a VOTE in CONGRESS on his proposed cuts?

"Back to Clarke, I don't know the exact month his book was published, but I do know that more than half of Moore's movie was propaganda, lies and distortions"

Well, since I covered almost all of the first half, and you ineffectually challenged it, I supposed you think Lila Lipscomb's son, Michael Pedersen, didn't die in Iraq. That in fact, he's just AWOL, and living in Michael Moore's attic until the heat's off, eh?

Try again.
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Phoenician in a time of Romans

Wonders: "'reality' you have got to be kidding right?"

Are you sure you're a conservative and not a DemoCRAP in disguise?

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html (page 6)

>The aide said that guys like me were ''in what
>we call the reality-based community,'' which
>he defined as people who ''believe that
>solutions emerge from your judicious study
>of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured
>something about enlightenment principles and
>empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the
>way the world really works anymore,'' he
>continued. ''We're an empire now, and when
>we act, we create our own reality.

Get with the Republican program, Wonders! We create our own reality; if we SAY we're winning in Iraq, we're winning! If we SAY the economy is doing well, the economy is doing well!

I dunno, man. Didn't you get the memO?

wonders

Phoenician -

I guess the American people create that same reality you talked about!

President Bush won this election by more popular votes than any President in history. That should tell you that America was tired of Kerry's lies.
If you want to win something in life, honesty will help get you there. You were blinded by the lies that Kerry, the media, and the Moores told you, I am so happy to see that most of America did indeed do their research and found the facts.

Good debating with you man, for your information in the future, I suggest you research documented history VS articles that the media delivers to you.

Way to go G.W. BUSH!

wonders

The democratic party, lied to America, performed illegal violence to America, by: slashing tires, shooting into the RNC headquarters, threats to President Bush and his family, laughed at "The Guardian", a news media that called for an assassination of President Bush, tried to run over with a car, the republican supporter, tried to buy votes with crack cocaine, had the Michael Moore's of America spew hate and lies to America, and numerous other events. THIS is why America is standing proud and tall with President Bush!

Now we wonder if the Bruce Springsteen's, the Michael Moore's, the John Kerry's of America, will check the box on their income tax returns to turn down their tax cut, didn't they tell us when they thought that John Kerry would win, they didn't want the tax cut? We hold them to the very words they ran the campaign on, so we will watch and see if they indeed turn down their tax cut and give it back to America, or was this just another lie that they ran their campaign on?

America is telling you that it doesn't matter what the media report's other countries say! We back President Bush and we back our men and women in harms way, and we will not hide behind lies.

American's are telling you, that they can't be bought by lies.

American's are telling you that they can't be bought by Hollywood.

American's are telling you that they are not stupid, the media reported so many untruths against President Bush, however America knows how to research and find facts and truths.

President Bush won by 3 1/2 million popular votes, even the day of the election, the media told us Kerry will win by a landslide, America answered the media, by telling the media, YOU can't tell us who to vote for, YOU can't persuade us with Hollywood elite's, YOU can't lie your way to win the hearts of America.

The media tells us we are a divided country, we have told the media we are UNITED, we are not who they portray us to be.

Phoenician in a time of Romans

"I guess the American people create that same reality you talked about!"

You bet.

Pity about the real world, though.

http://www.canada.com/businesscentre/story.html?id=d106815e-1736-416c-943a-06ed92323f4e

Hardcore Republican Bastard

Fuck gays.

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