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kc

It's unfortunate that Bush's soul-stirring vision is not wedded to even a minimal portion of competence.

bob long

OK, FOLKS, IT’S TIME FOR US ALL TO GET TOGETHER AND MOBILIZE ON THIS KERRY AMMO STORY. HERE’S WHAT WE KNOW:

THE NY TIMES HAS NO IDEA WHETHER THE ORDINANCE THAT IS PURPORTEDLY “MISSING” WAS REMOVED BEFORE THE 101ST ARRIVED.

THE ORDINANCE – LESS THAN 400 TONS – IS LESS THAN 1/10TH OF 1% OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE DESTROYED OR CAPTURED IN IRAQ.

60 MINUTES WAS GOING TO TRY TO USE THIS PIECE AS AN ELECTION EVE SMEAR TACTIC, BUT GAVE IT TO THE NY TIMES INSTEAD WHEN THE IAEA MADE ITS REPORT.

THE 101ST DID A SEARCH BUT DID NOT FIND THE WEAPONS ON OR ABOUT APRIL 10. THEREAFTER, OTHER UNITS ALSO PERFORMED SEARCHES AND DID NOT FIND THE WEAPONS. BY MAY, THE SURVEY GROUP CONCLUDED AN EXTENSIVE SEARCH AND DID NOT FIND THE WEAPONS.

FROM THE TIME THE 101ST ARRIVED IN EARLY APRIL AND THROUGH THE NEXT MONTH, THE ROADS NEAR THE FACILITY WERE FULL OF US TROOPS MOVING SUPPLIES, PERSONNEL, ETC., WERE SUBJECT TO AIR PATROLS, AND HAD CHECKPOINTS. FEW IF ANY IRAQIS WERE TRAVELING THE ROAD AT THE TIME, AND IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN APPROXIMATLEY 38 EXTREMELY LARGE TRUCKS TO TRANSPORT THE MISSING MATERIALS. AT THAT TIME, IT IS UTTERLY INFEASIBLE THAT ANY IRAQIS COULD ORGANIZE SUCH AN EFFORT, COULD MOBILIZE THE VEHICLES REQUIRED, OR COULD TRAVEL THAT ROAD WITH OUT NOTICE FROM TROOPS, CHECKPOINTS, OR AERIAL RECON. IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS TOTALLY SILLY.

JOHN KERRY JUMPED ALL OVER THESE SILLY ALLEGATONS AND CALLED IT A TREMENDOUS BLUNDER BY OUR PRESIDENT NOT TO FIND THE 400 TONS OF ORDINANCE AT ISSUE. HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO FACTUAL SUPPORT FOR THAT ALLEGATION, AND YET HAS MADE IT IN THE NATIONAL MEDIA REPEATEDLY OVER THE PAST 2 DAYS, AND CUT AN AD IN ORDER TO REPEAT THIS FALSEHOOD AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.

THIS IS NOT ONLY A MONSTEROUS DECEPTION ON THE EVE OF AN ELECTION, IT REVEALS THE CHARACTER OF THIS MAN.

WHAT SORT OF MAN WOULD PEDAL FALSEHOODS IN THIS WAY ABOUT OUR MILLITARY AND OUR PRESIDENT DURING A TIME OF WAR? THIS IS NOT A GOOD MAN, AND DOES NOT DESERVE THE RESPECT OF OUR TROOPS OR OUR CITIZENRY.

AND REMEMBER, THIS IS THE IAEA, UN, MSM ALL TOGETHER PITCHING A MATERIALLY FALSE STORY. THERE MUST BE A BACKLASH. LET’S MAKE IT HAPPEN.

Jeffraham Prestonian

Usually, I don't like these "all caps" remarks, but this one disturbs me a bit. My guy is right on the underlying issue, but with the forgeries in the public's recent memory, this whole missing ammo attack on Bush might backfire mightily. Anyone else agree?

Rocketpooch

It does bother me a bit too. Seems like the factual support is a pretty flaky. Kerry is taking a risk by putting so much of his credibility into it.

Johan Kullaby

Well, I'm not so sure. It sounds like Kerry is kind of out on a limb, but these candidates are always in loose touch with the truth. Maybe this is different because we are in the last week. I don't know how the heartland reacts to a misleading attach under such a spotlight.

joe mcgee

Geez bob, take a breath.

Well, Jeffraham, my bet is that you are not the real Jeffraham.

joe mcgee

Is that you, Tucker?

RocketPunch

I realize it is close to the election but this isn't just some random little issue. It IS a major problem. It does speak to the management of the War which has also been a major issue. It isn't KERRY'S story. It is a major problem no matter how you want to spin it. And again, no matter how you spin it, it doesn't look good for the management of this war before OR after.

david ricardo

Real bad news about consumer confidence---

Oct. 26 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. consumer confidence fell for a third straight month in October, suggesting growing voter discontent with the economy a week before President George W. Bush seeks re-election.

The Conference Board's consumer confidence index dropped to 92.8, the lowest since March, from a revised 96.7 in September, down from the previous estimate. Americans' assessments of the current economy and their outlook for the next six months fell.

The survey is the Conference Board's last before the U.S. presidential election on Nov. 2. Since the index began in 1967, every incumbent president has lost his re-election bid when the consumer confidence index was below 99 on Election Day.

``It's not good news for Bush. He can still win, but this is not a good omen,'' said Delos Smith, a Conference Board economist. ``People are nervous about their jobs and incomes.''


RocketPunch

Ronald Reagan - I am sorry to say that most of us here in Florida also feel a rig is impossible to avoid. All of the electronic voting machines with no paper trail are in Democratic strongholds. And the story you posted adds to the problem. I like to believe in the best in people so I try not to think that way ... but the evidence is growing.

I'm sure all of you would like to see a BBC report on the current state of Florida voting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsa/n5ctrl/tvseq/newsnight/newsnight.ram

Turgidsen

Tucker can smirk and giggle about this all he wants, but there's no question that American soldiers have been killed by bombs made from this looted HE that may not otherwise have been harmed.

Ronald Reagan

I think the story is very important. I'm trying to think through the issues here rather than weigh their political consequences. This is what has been reported: March 8, the IAEA check on the material at AlQaqaa. The inspectors then pull out in anticipation of the US invasion. April 4, the shooting war is in full swing, and the facility is checked again by US troops after the invasion began, and the explosives are not detected, but it is unclear whether a full search was conducted. April 10, the 101st Airborne arrive, but they are equipped to conduct weapons inspections. The Pentagon has claimed that the explosive material was removed before the invasion began (March 20), presumably in the 12 day window between the final inspection and the start of hostilities. No evidence has been provided for this claim and contradicts statements by army spokeman. Certainly, the administration have known for over a year that the explosives have been missing, and certainly the Iraqi interim government has charged that looting after the invasion is the cause of the disappearance.

This story has a long way to go and won't be resolved before November 2. The fact that these explosives are only a small fraction of the munitions floating around Iraq underscores that point that many more troops were needed in April and May 2003 to secure weapons sites in the immediate aftermath of hostilities.

Ronald Reagan

Sorry, the 101st Airborne were *not* equipped to conduct weapons inspections when they arrived on April 10.

wasted potential

I find this entire discussion on cheating in elections fascinating. Bush won the original 2000 count in FL and the subsequent mandatory recounts. A trial judge threw out the whole manual recount process, but the politically motivated FL supreme court reversed him, ignoring the legislation on the books and writing new legislation. US Supreme Court had to rectify this problem, not once, but twice. Depending on how the chad was hanging, different news organizations arrived at different results of their own manual recounts, but by the standard set for the nullified manual recount, Bush still would have won FL, if all counties had been recounted, not just the democratic strongholds.

As to confidence in elections, I have only one - that the Democrats will cheat. The Democratic Daley machine in Chicago has been the role model of votefraud for decades. Register the dead, the mythical and others to vote, then turn out the vote. When groups question this, claim voter repression with righteous indignation.

Who was it that was paying a crack addict crack cocaine to register Mary Poppins and Michael Jordan in Ohio this year? Why, it was the democratic controlled NAACP, of course.

Republicans are accused of suppressing turnout every election, when in fact they are only suppressing fraud on the part of the democrats!

On an unrelated issue that I just have to get off my chest - Republicans are always portrayed as trying to blend "church & state" in violation of the constitution (when this phrase does not appear in the constitution at all). However, who is it that uses the church as a campaign stop? Democrats. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have paved the way for Clinton and Kerry to do this (Kerry did it just last Sunday). When was the last time Bush campaigned in a church?
I read an article where one black minister for Kerry said he would use the church bus to bus people to the polls for Kerry in MO. Would it be considered "minority voter suppression" to point out to the pastor and his parishioners that the use of its bus for such purposes would cause it to lose its tax exempt status?

The Republicans will need a very solid majority vote this year in several states to overcome the fraudulent votes cast by these defenders of voter rights.

wasted potential

Turgidsen and Ronald Reagan,

Below is an article from April of 2003. Read the 4th paragraph of this article. They were gone before March of 2003.


Copyright 2003 Valley Daily Bulletin
Inland Valley Daily Bulletin (Ontario, CA)
April 4, 2003 Friday
LENGTH: 813 words


[SNIP]


Troops encounter unknown chemical items


As the military advances closer to Baghdad, signs of Iraqichemical preparedness are multiplying, although there is still no conclusive evidence Saddam Hussein's regime possesses weapons of mass destruction.


On Friday, troops at a training facility in the westernIraqi desert came across a bottle labeled "tabun" a nerve gas and chemical weapon Iraq is banned from possessing.


Closer to Baghdad, troops at Iraq's largest militaryindustrial complex found nerve agent antidotes, documents describing chemical warfare and a white powder that appeared to be used for explosives.

U.N. weapons inspectors went repeatedly to the vast al QaQaa complex most recently on March 8 but found nothing during spot visits to some of the 1,100 buildings at the site 25 miles south of Baghdad.

Col. John Peabody, engineer brigade commander of the 3rdInfantry Division, said troops found thousands of 2-by-5-inch boxes, each containing three vials of white powder, together with documents written in Arabic that dealt with how to engage in chemical warfare.

mcconnell

Vision right. Bush has vision. And with a large 20ft x 30ft US flag serving as a back drop in Bush photo rally in Alamogordo, NM certainly convey vision and inspiration of what old glory can do for the President of the U.S. Especially George W. Bush.

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/4343/Bush_is_serious_crop_resized.jpg

Got it from: http://kokonutpundits.blogspot.com/2004/10/bush-rallythe-second-coming.html

DJ

Never under estimate the value of a coordinated marketing effort. On one hand you have slanted press and the alphabet news telling you how bad something is everyday. Even when the news is good, they put a damper on it. That is followed up by Mr. Kerry beginning nearly every sentence with an accusation aimed at President Bush. It doesn't matter if the is any substance, as long as Kerry has something bad to say, the news will dutifully report it.

My opinion is that anyone who has to denigrate so many around him (as Kerry does) to build himself up is a small week minded man. And certainly not a person who is deserving consideration for THE most important job in America (if not the world).

God Bless America

DJ

>>>>I pray that George Bush gets relected because I think John Kerry is a figure head being put in office who has no opinions or integerity of his own>>>>Now that is rich. I would love to hear the thought process that brings about that conclusion.<<<<

I'd say its the same one that says President Bush is a figure head for Vice President Chaney.

DOD Career

I can't even believe that you folks take this story as anything more than a political stunt. These weapons were a tiny portion of the ordinance we had to address in Iraq -- TINY. And the larger story is of significant success.

None of you folks have been to Iraq. None of you know the reality on the ground. And all of you are just believing what you want to get that traitor elected.

Well, let me tell you something. The man in the White House now is honorable. The man you support is a snake, a fraud and worse. The military will NEVER respect Kerry, NEVER.

And you fools, who have never put your lives on the line for a damn thing, are sitting in your comfy chairs opining on events totally foreign to you. Shame on you, you little children and fools.

If Kerry wins -- and I can't beleive the American people could elect such a man -- few in any soldiers will reenlist, and recuiting will fall like a rock. We will fight to our death for our nation, but have no desire to serve a traitor and a criminal like this man.

Ronald Reagan

wasted potential: it is just incorrect to say that a statewide recount would have returned Bush. The consortium of news organizations found that under a wide range of voting rules, statewide recounts would have returned Gore. Bush would have won under a variety of voting rules in the contested counties.

There are annecdotes on all sides to support claims of voter fraud. I agree the 1960 election was likely given to Kennedy by voting fraud in Illinois. But there is extremely strong and systematic evidence (not annecdotes) indicating that African American votes are significantly less likely to be counted than the votes of others (either through voting suppression, or poor equipment), and this pattern is particularly strong in the south.

For me, the important issue is not whether Republicans win, or Democrats win. The issue is whether all Americans have equal voting rights. Southern Democrats were on the wrong side of this issue historically, and southern Republicans are often on the wrong side of this issue today.

DOD Career

And one other thing: electing Kerry -- which I can't believe would happen -- would have an immediate victory to our terrorist enemies. They will be dancing in the streets on Al Jazeera. I know this because I have fought them in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere.

Why in the world would you children want to hand the terrorists a victory? Their entire campaign of bombings and beheadings is meant to cow the cowardly Americans into voting against bush. Why would you yield to this ????

truth

Ronald RL:

you have it exactly backwards. every single survey by every organization showed that the prospective recount would have given the President Florida. every single one.

every single one.

you lie.

DJ

Forgainst:

2000 is history. Ya lost, Gore didnt even win his home state. Shoot Even Mondale carried Minnesota. Come on, the Dems have the media on their side, (let me remind you they GAVE the election to Gore before the VOTES were counted). Plus they had three years to come up with a candidate, and all they can produce is a John Kerry? AAAAAH!

Jake

Tucker - On a number of blog sites, some have been calling for the President to come out more aggressive on the exposure of the NYT/CBS/KE04 lie about the "missing ammo." Now, Kerry is running an ad on the subject.

Will the President respond forcefully - WITH ADS - or not? I am afraid this could be a replay of the last minute DUI revelation that almost cost Bush in 2000.

Thanks and all the best,

Jake in Florida

Ronald Reagan

wasted potential: NBC's Jim Miklaszewski (who Tucker claimed as an authority) reported this last night:

"Three months earlier, during an inspection of the Al Qaqaa compound, the International Atomic Energy Agency secured and sealed 350 metric tons of HMX and RDX. Then in March, shortly before the war began, the I.A.E.A. conducted another inspection and found that the HMX stockpile was still intact and still under seal. But inspectors were unable to inspect the RDX stockpile and could not verify that the RDX was still at the compound."

Note that this report conflicts with your April 4 2003 report of the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin (Ontario, CA).

As I say, this story has a long way to go and will not be resolved before November 2.

On a slightly different point: wasted potential, do you believe enough troops were in Iraq on, say, April 1, 2003 to secure all the sites thought to house WMDs or large conventional weapons caches?

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